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exactly, the real question is what the elves are doing while they’re unseen.


We should've asked Terence McKenna...

It could be a subspecies of the "machine elves"...


This was my first thought as well. I've always been fascinated by written accounts of DMT triggering such oddly specific effects for users.


They keep the universe running.


I can answer the what, that parts easy!

The real question is WHY they keep stealing my underwear and left-foot socks?


Making toys, caring for reindeer, sleight maintenance, ...

And spook work for His Jolliness' Secret Service, to keep their Naughty and Nice databases current.


i have a house in a lot of sun in mid atlantic usa. i have spent a modest amount of time casually exploring solar. the cost/benefit never seems that great. what am i missing?


Lets do some simple napkin math: Lets say a solar system will cost $25k (that should get you an 8-10kW rooftop system). Pay for it with, say, a 5% APR loan.

- 10 years: $265/mo

- 15 years: $197/mo

- 20 years: $164/mo

What are your current monthly electricity costs, and what time horizon gets you a good break-even?

Also consider what electricity costs are gonna do. The loan locks in a monthly cost, but electricity rates have lately been increasing around 3% per year. Say you currently have a $150 monthly electricity bill... in 10, 15, and 20 years that will be $202, $233, and $270/mo.

There's other ways to finance it (PPA's, leases, maybe incentives if we get serious about our energy again someday, etc.) that have their own advantages/disadvantages, but even this simple approach shows there's some wins depending on your exact consumption, time horizon, time-value of money, and what you expect your electric load to do (will you get an EV? will you adopt heat pumps? will you need to start using way more AC in the summers? etc)


I'm in a leaky, 80 year old 3 bed 2 bath in the Midwest (that doesn't have insulation in the walls... brick and plaster). Worst in the Summer is around $100/mth, worst in the Winter $40/mth (of course gas for heat is around $80 Winter, $15 Summer for water heater, stove, etc.).


Ok, sounds like it doesn't pencil out for you in your region. I have a similar size in a different part of the country with my bills consistently in the mid-$100's.

YMMV. As with most things in life, there is no one-size-fits-all. Do what's right for you.


I’m in Canada , in a tight valley where it snows a ton. I pay 13 cents a kWh for electricity.

I installed 7.8kw of rooftop solar for $8k out of pocket, all of which is on a ten year interest free loan.

In 12 months it makes smack on $1000 worth of electricity. So my payback is 8 years ( less, actually. The price of electricity here is already pre approved to increase no less than 5% a year) After that I get $1000 of power per year for twenty or so years.

The term no brainer doesn’t seem enough.


Depends on the state/city. In Minnesota with cheap electricity and not a ton of sun it's still worth it, just takes a while to recoup. In places in california you can recoup costs in as little as 2 years sometimes because the rates are so high.


The median cost/benefit of home solar is good, but not great. It tends to be a good investment, but not hugely different from other possibilities.

But the variance is huge.


The biggest benefits are in the later years due to utility escalation rates. Compounded growth rate of 4-6% does wonders 20 years later!


Where are your calculations? It's hard for anyone to comment without seeing your cost/benefit analysis.


Go on


I'll take a shot. I think what the OP was alluding to is a modern movement towards "metaphysics" or manifestation.

Think about the world you see and live in. Someone created the monitor you're looking at that you're reading my comment. Someone created the keyboard you're working on. Someone created the machines to manufacture these things. And so on.

It started with a concept, an idea. It didn't just appear. We, as humans, have the ability to collapse (hint hint, quantum physics) from the ethereal to the physical world the thoughts we have. This applies to everything. What our decisions are. Should I eat McDonalds today or have fish and salad?

We are, in a sense, wizards in this world. We create what we focus our mind on. Where we direct our focus and our intent we can see desired outcome. If your desire is to make a billion dollars, no one is stopping you. You are the only obstacle.

What I'm saying won't resonate with a lot of people, but in my experience, this message isn't for everyone. I'm a software engineer who has learned to appreciate the spiritual world as much as I appreciate the science. The two can live in harmony (as it used to, read about Tesla and Newton's metaphysical works -- they were manifestors as well).

This was a little all over the place, but it's meant to be a sampler platter of metaphysical ideas.


> We, as humans, have the ability to collapse (hint hint, quantum physics) from the ethereal to the physical world the thoughts we have.

Do thoughts exist in an ethereal world, or are they just arrangements of chemicals and charges in the brain? I've never seen "ether," and nobody's ever found a structure in the human body that interfaces with it. There are no structures causally implicated in quantum wave function collapse, either—the microtubule hypothesis is quite pseudoscientific, I'm afraid. "Do I have McDonalds today, or fish and salad" is a decision made at the cellular level, not the subatomic.

This feels like a very disenchanted worldview, but the missing mystery you're reaching for is phenomenology, not idealistic metaphysics. The evanescent world of thought encoded within the chemicals and charges of our brain has its own self-referential structure which pays dividends to direct experiential analysis, which this article does engage in.

Incidentally, metaphysics is a very broad branch of philosophy which encompasses both materialist and idealist conceptions of the world. You're talking specifically about manifestation/"the law of attraction," which was originally associated with the New Thought religious movement, although it's percolated out into broader pop culture through books like The Secret.


Appreciate your perspective friend. Correct me if I'm wrong or mischaracterizing, but it feels like you're looking for something concrete or absolute in what I'm saying. In my experience the only thing that feels "absolute" is that nothing is absolute.

The words I'm using are the best I currently have to describe ideas that have always existed. It's not like a new messiah or philosopher came about with this novelty. It's something innate to all who possess the creative mind. And this is the root of maybe what I'm talking about (I'm still a student to all of this); every human possesses the ability to create.

Is it chemical? Is it God? Is it Tinkerbell's magical dandruff sprinkling into my head? Maybe it's both chemical and God. Maybe all of the above. How it happens is still up for debate, sure. But let me segue for a moment.

If you follow the progress of AI (I'm assuming you must), there is an ongoing debate of AGI/Superintelligence. OpenAI, Google, et al are promising their abilities to invent new medicine or invent some new art form. They will be novelty generators. I feel quite skeptical of this.

Right now, LLMs are incapable of novelty -- ie, it can only compose existing ideas, it cannot invent some new genre of music or new style of art. If it appears new it's only because that's what it was taught and it's more remixing. And sure, there's argument to be made that remixing is a form of creativity. However, it is not the decider of what is creative or not. The human on the other end prompting it makes that decision. THAT is an act of creativity.

Again, arguments to be made that if all it takes is an observer and a set of criteria then that must mean the AI agent we designed to generate and select images for some marketing campaign must be sentient right?

Maybe. Maybe not. As far as I know, these models do not have an internal motivation. They don't spend time replying to other people on forums with their perspective for.. who knows what reason. And if they do, it's because they have a programmed directive to do so.

The human is the one with an internal universe that span the colorful spectrum of experiences that is referred to as "qualia". Our experiences shape us and the world that we know. Our decisions are based on these experiences. Of course, I'm not deluded that the reality of the world we live in doesn't have have constraints: hunger, loneliness, desire, etc. We needed primal instincts to survive.

But once those needs are met, who are you now? Just a series of chemical reactions? Repeating that survival loop? This is where the ethereal comes in.

> I've never seen "ether," and nobody's ever found a structure in the human body that interfaces with it.

Many humans have been interfacing with the "ether" for thousands of years. You interface with it when you practice creativity. Many musicians talk of how sometimes a song just appears to them. I'm sure you'll find ways of explaining this way, but in my opinion, there's a deeper mechanism that we're unaware of or aren't ready to know yet.

TL;DR - practice creativity.


> ideas that have always existed. It's not like a new messiah or philosopher came about with this novelty

Self-help books about manifestation tend to nebulously describe the "law of attraction" as a principle that has always existed and which great people throughout history have understood, but the movement associated with it is a modern phenomenon. The Wikipedia page "Law of attraction (New Thought)" [1] is a good starting point, if you're curious.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_(New_Thought...

> And if they do, it's because they have a programmed directive to do so.

Are we not programmed? Our brains were developed through evolution, not engineering, but we still eat when we are hungry. That's a directive that was embedded in us during the process of our development. Why should creativity have a supernatural component when the source of our behaviour, evolution, is anything but?

> The human is the one with an internal universe that span the colorful spectrum of experiences that is referred to as "qualia".

We certainly feel as if they are colourful, but we would, wouldn't we? They have to be, to fulfil their evolutionary purposes. Fear compels us to run and hide. If it didn't feel overwhelming and powerful, it wouldn't work. And if it didn't feel unique, then it would be redundant. Imagine if lust felt like fear: we would either flee reproduction or embrace danger.

Qualia are the abstractions of our senses. They feel present and vivid because they are the fabric of experience, but that doesn't imply anything beyond the physical. If we created an intelligent robot and programmed it to be compelled to flee when it detected danger, how do you think it would describe the experience of detecting danger and feeling its mind transform into a mode that compelled it to flee, that made staying still seem unbearable? Powerful, ineffable, invigorating, unpleasant? It would probably sound something like a person describing fear.

> Many musicians talk of how sometimes a song just appears to them.

Sure, but that's not magic. It's just an idea moving from the unconscious parts of the brain to the conscious. Why shouldn't the "deeper mechanism" simply be the parts of our minds that we are not consciously aware of?


> there's a deeper mechanism that we're unaware of or aren't ready to know yet

Sure, subconsciousness. No need to invent the whole extra magical worlds.


Currently, the only way to understand code is to read it. You no longer need to understand code to produce it (maybe in some pre-AI cases that was also true).

So no, you don’t _need_ to read code anymore. But not reading code is a risk.

That risk is proportional to characteristics that are very difficult, and in many cases impossible, to measure.

So currently best practice would be to continue reading code. Sigh.


It seems like the archery gets disproportionately more “hollywood doesn’t understand how it works” coverage than other things.

Is that because I’m an archer and that’s what I see?


Well there's also:

* Infantry presses vs out-and-out melee

* Siege weapons as "artillery" during field battles as though it was WW1 levels of firepower

* Cavalry charges as battering rams / tanks

So, maybe you can train yourself to see all of those too. Then you'll enjoy nothing :D


>Is that because I’m an archer and that’s what I see?

Nah, it's everything. You see every specialist community complaining about it.


Projects like this are fascinating for reasons, I guess, unintentional to their creators.

Is what you can see at this level of detail helping anyone understand the painting?

Someone thinks so. So what do we now know?


I think projects like this help you develop a felt understanding of the painting as a unique physical artifact that is not fully reproduced by prints or scans.


I now know there are somewhat rectangular 1mm length fibers embedded in the paint of this work. A secret only art preservationists knew prior.


there is no such bar.

We don’t even have a good way to quantify human ability. The idea that we could suddenly develop a technique to quantify human ability because we now have a piece of technology that would benefit from that quantification is absurd.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to measure the ability of an LLM. But it does mean that the techniques used to quantify an LLMs ability are not something that can be applied to humans outside of narrow focus areas.


idk, i think it’s as worth mentioning as the writing style, which a lot of the comments are about. and i think they’re fair — don’t mind the style myself


What’s the saying? Twice the work, half the credit?

In all seriousness tho, I don’t buy it. It’s pretty hard to solo-achieve things in most complicated work environments. Saying you’re part of a group effort means more to those more interested in collaboration, good groups know to select on that criteria.


i have a simple system for keep my birds safe from land predators.

so the birds get a point for each level of protection they receive. each group needs two points to be safe.

i mainly raise geese, which are tough, not going to be bothered by a hawk. geese (turkeys similar) start with one point. an electric fence is one point, a fully enclosed coop is one point, night light (.5?), guard animal (.5?). chickens are always inventing ways to die, so they start with 0 (should probably be -1).

fingers crossed i haven’t lost any geese to land predators in three years and only one chicken that flew the enclosure. hawks have taken a few chickens, but never when the geese are around.


I know people here who specifically add a "guard goose" to their hen flock for protection. They swear it helps against predators.

We have a very reinforced coop and an automatic coop door so we've never had any issues.


yeah, they deter aerial predators, but you can’t have too much room for them to roam away from the geese. in my experience you need to have the geese and chickens together within about 200sq feet.


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