Your comment is troubling. I am really struggling to understand how so many human brains routinely confuse such different things as a cultural artifact (like a language) with a violent act (a military invasion). This is disturbing to me because i believe this is the kind of mental confusion that actually makes this kind of political violence possible.

For the record, I had the exact opposite feeling when i saw that title: I was glad the poster was not feeling obliged to not mention a culture because of a war.

I'm glad you expressed your own view so candidly though, as I did myself, and would not want to discourage that. But you understand you are playing "their" game by helping erecting those fences, right?

> I am really struggling to understand how so many human brains routinely confuse such different things as a cultural artifact (like a language) with a violent act (a military invasion).

The human brain is a hyperactive pattern recognition machine and it is actually usual for it to make associations that don't hold up to intellectual scrutiny. Otherwise it'd be quite difficult to believe things that aren't true. It is expected that people will do this. The real miracle is something like the legal system where a many people have been convinced to follow an evidence- and precedent- based process rather than making decisions based on what they think it true in the moment flowing from their thoughts and feelings.

Not to excuse the behaviour, it is terrifying and generally generally harmful. But it is at least easy to understand - for any random pairing of things there is going to be a large chunk of the population who associates them without any underlying causal reason beyond that they've been spotted together once. Like the Russian language and war. Then political choices flow on from that reality.

That's why we all say it is very important to think critically and think for yourself. Always test your ideas and be open to change.

It's not "mental confusion" its a lived experience for millions of people.

Russia and Russians have a long history of exterminating local languages and culture in territories they control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

Oh come on!

Every state has a long history of opressing others, I'm sure Russia did it too, but to be honest being from western Europe I have my own colonial history to come to terms with before looking at others'. What I know about XXth century Russia, though, is that at some point and in some places at least they went as far as inventing writing systems for local languages that had none so that teaching could be done in that language; so that exemple alone is enough to tell me that your viewpoint lacks nuance, to put it very mildly.

History of civilizations is certainly interresting but this is not even the point; the point was: why should the interrest of a text from Nabokov about the Russian language be seen through the lense of some modern episode of political violence? This is obvious nonsense, yet it appears to come up frequently, sometimes, with some people. Why? And what can be done to stop the contagion before mankind revert back to clan warfare? (because if we want to look for reasons to hate each others in past or modern politics, sure enough we will get there!)

This is false.

Colonization of eastern parts of russia involved forced conversion to christianity, violence, rape, mass murder, but not language extermination

Even culture extermination is an exaggeration, sure some areas got forcibly "converted" to christianity (if they were unlucky to be invaded before USSR) but you will see mosques/buddha statues/whatever is applicable and all the local traditions and beliefs mostly going like before

Actually in areas where local languages exist they kept schools teaching local languages and official signs are duplicated in both local and Russian all the way from USSR. I know this first hand;) but even the article you linked will tell you that.

So it was maybe not as good as support for indigenous languages in Canada but not extermination

Only since 2018 it is optional to teach local language in schools, previously there were at least some schools that teach it in every area like that. thank Putler for that too.

This is false.

Entire history of Ukraine since russia became a thing is a constant struggle for preserving its own language.

Look at what happens now: 1. russia demands russian language to be declared official in Ukraine. 2. russia targets Ukrainian cultural institutions in its airstrikes, trying to destroy anything Ukrainian 3. first things russians do after occupying a territory is "reeducation" of Ukrainian-speaking representatives of the population and burning Ukrainian books

I can continue this list.

Seeing original post at times like this is genuinely confusing. But OTOH, many still choose to be wrong understanding russia's warv against Ukraine. pUtin explicitly said he intends to solve "Ukrainian question" once and for all.

My reply is about what happened within borders of Russia to indigenous languages and cultures. if you think I'm commenting about war against another country you are very wrong

> but not language extermination

as Lithuania - this is absolutely not true. Even before Soviet union the Russian empire was exterminating language to the point where there's an entire Lithuanian history chapter on Lithuanian book smugglers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_book_smugglers

Soviet empire wasn't better either. My great grandmother who was a Lithuanian language teacher was sent to Siberian gulags _for_ teaching Lithuanian. Luckily she survived and lived to a 100 just to prove these disgusting people wrong.

Sorry, my perspective is based on what happened within borders of Russia, I guess USSR was worse to white people who look more like russians

i have tatarian friends. they would like a word with you on this topic.

when they are over my place for more than a couple of hours, there is always conversation about russia trying to suppress anything tatarian: both culture and language.

this is their first hand expirience. from few past decades

tell me more... I don't hear that sort of thing from my non white friends in russia

I heard about discrimination and other shit especially if they go to white western areas of russia, but never about language suppression at home

well... it's not something that they will discuss. especially given that many try to assimilate or already lost their native culture or don't even care about it.

don't like posts of type "ai told me so", but google nicely summarized things in this case

Language Suppression: The most significant recent development was the 2017 law that ended the mandatory study of the Tatar language in schools, making it an optional subject. This has led to a decline in new generations of Tatar speakers and marginalized the language in administration and higher education. Efforts by Tatarstan to revert their script to the Latin alphabet were also blocked by Moscow.

Political and Civic Crackdowns: The Russian government has systematically eroded the political autonomy that Tatarstan gained in the 1990s. Tatar national organizations, such as the All-Tatar Public Center, have been labeled "extremist" and banned, with activists facing fines, detention, and imprisonment for speaking out against the policies.

Historical Revisionism: Moscow promotes a single, "imperial doctrine" of history, suppressing narratives that contradict it. This includes the erasure of Tatar national heroes and the promotion of figures who align with the Kremlin's narrative. Public memorial events related to historical injustices, such as the 1944 deportation of Crimean Tatars, are restricted or prohibited in Russian-occupied territories like Crimea.

Control over Identity: The official state policy focuses on a conventional, apolitical interpretation of Tatar culture, ignoring the community's desire for genuine self-determination. The goal appears to be the destruction of distinct national identities and the creation of a unified, unitary Russian state.

also watch this with subtitles/translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwLTayPMrKE

I asked what friends tell you, not interested in slop. thanks

> The most significant recent development was the 2017 law that ended the mandatory study of the

dude I just mentioned that law in my comment

this is essentially what they told me (this is why copy/pasted slop as it's easier than typing half a page), +him been dragged to FSB for "conversation" due to "extremism"

if typing is too much to make an argument then maybe it's not worth it.

extremism laws are no joke, talking about gay things is "extremism", talking about secession also "extremism". But that is true for anyone even if you're white

Exterminating languages is one way to put it, progress is another.

Languages have died throughout time, as long as the language is preserved in a book for scholarly reasons I see no issues.

It also depends on how it's done, politically or through violence.

> You're struggling to see how glorifying language, culture and ignoring context triggers people?

Yes, actually, I am. And not only that, I'm also wondering why you think the linked post is "glorifying" anything.

Yes, and that machine was exceptionally good; by far the best laptop i ever owned: mate screen, good keyboard, small and lightweight for the time, and exceptionally open and well supported for Linux despite being a mips arch. I would gladly get myself another one if I could.

Those datacenters are the moai of our time; if you step back, it's interesting to watch.

Now that's certainly a take.

Are you reacting with as much intensity when you walk past any scientific work older than 20 years?

It's not about the science, I keep all the deprecated or rendered wrong/irrelevant books because they shaped me at some point and I'm proud of that. But finding out an author sitting on your bookshelf can possibly be a child abuser and definitely in-ties with Epstein disgusts me and I no longer keep anything from them.

So that's what it is, isn't it? A FUD campaign against the old political rival who is now dying and unable to defend himself?

I guess there is no point for me asking you if you even cared to look at the "evidence ".

I actually put in the time and searched many times. Again and again. I'm more confident of his guilt than of innocence. The very fact that he even walked past Epstein devalues his work altogether. I don't need to hear of his guilt, just the fact that he required Epstein's help with his finances makes him no one to talk about the elites in power.

My guess is better road design means less miles driven by cars (as opposed to other, safer vehicles) and therefore fewer accidents overall, even if car crash statistics remain the same.

Aren't tcpdump and wireshark based on libpcap which itself uses ebpf to compile and run packet filters? How is cerberus different?

I'm not sure what the distinction you are trying to make here is?

How does machine architecture play into it? It sounds like int sizes are the same regardless of word sizes of the machine, the choices made just happen to have high performance for common machine architectures. Or is it about endianess? Do big endian machines even exist anymore?

Yes, integer sizes, float sizes, endianess, alignment requirement...

What is a serialization format, if not a data encoding "that one can therefore send to another machine" .. "Or deserialise into native language specific data structurs" ..?

I'm very confused by your comment.

You have to encode the type of all the binary data. Does that make it serialization?

The demographics have nothing to do with that, the economic incentive is what changed when it becomes mainstream.

> The demographics have nothing to do with that, [..] changed when it becomes mainstream.

So it's not unreasonable to say that when demographics of forums was changed, the economic incentive appeared? So it actually depends on demographics?

I, for one, am dreaming of AI assisted ad removal, content summaries, bookmarks automatic classification...

And one can see how quickly they became mainstream...

Given that it's the AI doing the coding, it would be pretty quickly so long as it's decent at Haskell. Which it already is, surprisingly so actually for such a niche language. It doesn't necessarily write great code, but it's good enough, and the straightjacket type system makes it very hard for the model to sneak in creative hacks like using globals, or trip itself with mutable state.

I think that’s because the barrier to entry for a beginner is much higher than say python.

IMHO, these strong type systems are just not worth it for most tasks.

As an example, I currently mostly write GUI applications for mobile and desktop as a solo dev. 90% of my time is spent on figuring out API calls and arranging layouts. Most of the data I deal with are strings with their own validation and formatting rules that are complicated and at the same time usually need to be permissive. Even at the backend all the data is in the end converted to strings and integers when it is put into a database. Over-the-wire serialization also discards with most typing (although I prefer protocol buffers to alleviate this problem a bit).

Strong typing can be used in between those steps but the added complexity from data conversions introduces additional sources of error, so in the end the advantages are mostly nullified.

> Most of the data I deal with are strings with their own validation and formatting rules that are complicated and at the same time usually need to be permissive

this is exactly where a good type system helps: you have an unvalidated string and a validated string which you make incompatible at the type level, thus eliminating a whole class of possible mistakes. same with object ids, etc.

don't need haskell for this, either: https://brightinventions.pl/blog/branding-flavoring/

That's neat, I was about to ask which languages support that since the vast majority don't. I didn't know that you can do that in Typescript.

Any language with an type system really...

Even OOP : if you have a string class, you can have a String_Formated_For_API subtype.

Just extends String, and add some checking.

But now the type checker "knows" it can print() a String_Formated_For_API just fine but not call_API(string).

I would argue that the barrier to entry is on par with python for a person with no experience, but you need much more time with Haskell to become proficient in it. In python, on the other hand, you can learn the basics and these will get you pretty far

Python has a reputation for being good for beginners so it's taught to beginners so it has a reputation for being good for beginners.

I blame syntax. It's too unorthodox nowadays. Historical reasons don't matter all that much, everything mainstream is a C-family memember