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Sceptre appears to be the only brand still making these, and it's difficult to find them in stock (or wad last I checked)


Cringe is one thing, but exposing data gets you walked out the front door. The two are worlds apart in terms of severity.


It would be, if the owner began editorializing the content, because the point at which they get involved, they lose neutrality, and therefore Section 230 immunity protection.


You are not missing anything. This is a reheated anti-pattern that was (poorly) conceived in the 90's, and managed to crawl back. Was a great way to break a monolithic app back then, and it's still a great way to break a modular, scalable, cloud based web app now.


Fortunately, you can specify your own DNS to point at a black hole proxy like: https://pi-hole.net


It'd be safer to do firewall blocking, since the TV could fall back to a well known public resolver (i.e. 8.8.8.8) or even do DNS over HTTPS to a known Samsung IP.

Though blocking is a little harder if you want to use built-in apps of the TV (i.e. Netflix) while blocking it from sending viewing data to Samsung or its affiliates.

Though if you really want to keep the TV from spying on you, the easiest thing to do is to just not connect it to the internet (which is still an option in these pre-5G days, not sure that will always be the case in the future, the TV may have a built-in 5G modem that it can use to talk back to the manufacturer)


Or you could just not connect your TV to your internet connection.


I imagine the thinking is that if the TV is not connected to any WiFi, it might try to connect to something public or non-password protected neighbornet so it’s better to connect it to something non-functional rather than unconnected. Of course, the TV could just lie about what it’s doing anyway...


I wish there were more dumb TVs on the market. What kind of dystopian market is it where you can't even trust an appliance you own to not spy on you.


I think it's because the phrase, "None of your business" has fallen out of common use.

I would hear that all the time when I was a kid. I don't think I've heard it in public in decades. Or maybe I was just a nosy kid.


And what do you do if the screenshots get uploaded to the same domain as the other API endpoints needed for smart TV functionality? At that point your only option would be to disconnect from the internet directly.


My understanding is that newer DNS-over-<thing> like DoH would make this impossible...


Not really once DoH is supported at the OS level.

Pi-hole would be able to implement a DoH server, providing similar functionality as today.

Pi-hole like solutions are not working when DNS requests are made from the application, ignoring local resolvers configuration.


You found it, right at the end of the post. It is a cultural issue above all else and it is a common difference. It's not a question of good/bad or entitlement. Just decide what type of culture you are OK working for, given the trade-offs. If you don't have to live in a $4000 a month, two bedroom apartment, or a 2 hour commute, or 12% state income tax, maybe it's worth adjusting. Maybe not.


Well said.


Nobody is bowing to your tyrannical world view. It stops here.


We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I'm not exactly sure what your comment is even supposed to mean, but I'll bite. Maybe my predictions will turn out to be dead wrong, but as it stands it's unlikely that anyone is willing or prepared to stop what China is doing, and it's unlikely that Hong Kong is going to last very long because they have less and less power as time goes by. I personally am a lot more sympathetic to HK's struggle, and I encourage people to take to the streets because it is very likely to be their last stand. They certainly have more balls than I do. But life isn't like a movie and I'm pretty pessimistic about their chances.

If there is tyranny, it's just that it always comes down to power in the end. Freedom and the rule of law work well because they have made it easier for a society to flourish over the long term, but if conditions change so can their effectiveness. I wouldn't be surprised if human rights disappear like a puff of smoke if the 99% lose their bargaining power because of automation.


This is kind of a childish comment. What authority do you have to stop someone from freely expressing their opinion?


Actually, the fake news these days make me re-think the concept of `free speech`.

Firstly, More free speech sometimes means more fake news. Creating and spreading false or biased news are so easy, as the society goes, the problem we deal become more and more complicate, if we cannot get the right info and we do not possess the right mind how come expect us to make a ration decision, we all know what happened to Galileo, can anyone say what they did to Galileo is undemocratic.

Secondly, the common crowd are not that care about the truth, i discussed with a few people lives in HK through the internet, they actually do not know anything about the extradition law, and they still went to the protest. This is why I do not believe in any form of direct democracy.


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This is actually against comment guidelines:

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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


... in theory


Have you ever gotten a six figure check when you move out? Happens to buyers all the time.


Many buyers often neglect that they put $50k into their kitchen remodel, bought a new roof, and repaired the water heater/AC/washer along the way. So that $100k check feels like pure profit, but often is just reimbursement for past expenses.


Ever gotten a six figure bill on your way out? Happened to lots of buyers around 2008.


In most places they walked away with nothing.


Yeah, once every 100 years...


I'm too young and poor to have had time to save up, buy a house, and sell it. Again, specifics are king in this debate.


I guess the flip side is not owing a six figure mortgage.


I think it's more likely to happen to the seller.


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