I did read it. My point was that it seems to me that Sweden and NY are at about the same place now. Sweden basically just let it happen and NY locked down and imposed significant measures. Both had significant deaths in the elderly population (although significantly more in NY than Sweden) and both now have very few new cases & deaths, so the outcome has been similar.
Also interesting is that CA took very similar measures to NY with very similar timing and now are seeing the exact opposite to NY (although the media seem to be a bit quiet on that!).
> Also interesting is that CA took very similar measures to NY with very similar timing and now are seeing the exact opposite to NY
CA did not act with similar timing relative to disease progression, whether on initiating the lockdown or reopening; particularly, it began quickly reopening when cases had barely flattened, earlier than New York either on the calendar or with regard to the progression of the epidemic, whereas NY didn't start reopening till they had dropped way down and still hasn't opened indoor restaurants in NYC, while California had reopened bars and restaurants statewide before beginning reclosing.
> although the media seem to be a bit quiet on that!
California's woes resulting from the premature reopening are heavily covered in the national (and even international) media. If you mean that the false claim that California policy closely tracked New York’s and got different outcomes isn't getting media play, you are right, but that's only because it's completely false.
New York was somewhat slower on the calendar and even moreso with regard to cases in closing, which was a big initial failure relative to California, but California bungled even worse with rushed reopening.
Was going by the information on rt.live regarding closing and re-opening for NY and CA, it shows the following dates (and may well be incorrect):
| Shelter Start | Shelter End | Reopening Start
-------+---------------+-------------+------------------
CA [0] | Mar 19 | ? | May 25
NY [1] | Mar 22 | May 28 | May 15
Agreed that NYC itself didn't re-open at the same rate up but my understanding is that it was similar in CA (county by county and the more populous counties such as the SF bay area did not re-open as much).
For sure though, when NY locked down the community spread was likely far greater than it was in CA which I think shows in the C19 related deaths.
> Was going by the information on rt.live regarding closing and re-opening for NY and CA, it shows the following dates (and may well be incorrect):
For California, that's definitely wrong. California moved into Stage 2 reopening on May 8.
> Agreed that NYC itself didn't re-open at the same rate up but my understanding is that it was similar in CA (county by county and the more populous counties such as the SF bay area did not re-open as much).
That's loosely, qualitatively, true, but even most of the more populated counties had reopened more than NYC, and several counties had variances to go ahead of the statewide reopening.
Thanks for clearing that up. Hmmm ... seems to be a lot of misinformation out there even from "good" sources, such as Johns Hopkins and the NYT. For example regarding the situation in Mass:
Also interesting is that CA took very similar measures to NY with very similar timing and now are seeing the exact opposite to NY (although the media seem to be a bit quiet on that!).