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My issue with Emergency Use Authorization is by how many people use that to mean “FDA Approved”.

The public is not smart enough to tell the difference between something that passed 3 clinical trials and things that did not but are available for use.

The FDA brand is diluted now. I think this needs legislative intervention.

Another damaging thing is that this is used outside of the country, people who shouldnt care will look at the mere acknowledgement by the FDA as validation.

Its really shocking to me.

I’ve seen it ALOT amongst fly-by-night procurement brokers during the pandemic.



> The public is not smart enough to tell the difference between something that passed 3 clinical trials and things that did not but are available for use.

The public does not get the treatment by themselves in this case. This is not Over-The-Counter. A doctor would have to decide it's necessary and would have to agree with the patient - that's what an emergency authorization is about.


Yes, but there's a lot of "patient-driven" medicine lately - and doctors feeling pressured to prescribe something a patient saw advertised on TV if only to get them out of their office and/or not leave a bad review on HealthGrades...


I don't think you will see anytime soon emergency authorized drugs being advertised on TV. This is not ED or something.


Mylan Epi-Pen is advertised on TV - that's definitely an emergency drug.


In the absence of sufficient science, doctors and patients are not particularly well-positioned to make these decisions, either.

See, for example: off-label use of Vioxx.


COVID19 is potentially a lethal disease (in short order) especially for certain types of patients, so comparing it with for what Vioxx was used is kind of apples and oranges.


Your average joe doesn’t get to just decide what treatment they get. Doctors do, and those doctors assume liability for their decision.

FDA decisions like this are for healthcare providers and hospital systems.


> Your average joe doesn’t get to just decide what treatment they get.

That is flat wrong. Ever heard of getting a second opinion?


A second opinion from whom? Another doctor.


Yeah, and then the "average joe" makes the decision which opinion and treatment to go with, if either. Not the doctor.


So the doctor is the primary gating factor. Even if a patient wants to get a treatment, a doctor needs to ok it first.


Doctor is still in the loop. Let doctors doctor.


Also depends how rich you are.


There is no risk in blood plasma treatment. The FDA did an analysis of 20,000 patients who received the treatment, out of 70,000 total. If it does not end up helping people it's much ado about nothing. There is no reason for the FDA to get in the way of a potentially helpful treatment with essentially zero risk. 180,000 Americans have died, let us try anything that we can.


> There is no risk in blood plasma treatment.

Risks from blood plasma treatment include life-threatening allergic reactions and, hopefully less likely, transmission of bloodborne infections such as HIV and hepatitis.

The study that is driving this shoe an improvement in outcomes that was statistically significant, but, given that it was not placebo-controlled, there is a lot of room for that result to be a straight-up illusion. Given such weak evidence of benefit, these risks, though small, do loom large.


> If it does not end up helping people it's much ado about nothing

This is a frequent argument raised with respect to homeopathy and other quack cures. Unfortunately, unproven cures have a cost in avoided treatment and a false sense of security.


Well, unfortunately, there aren’t any treatments for Covid-19. This is a shot in the dark for people who otherwise might just die.


> a false sense of security

You mean placebo effect ?


> You mean placebo effect

Not quite. Charitably, it’s like the seatbelt effect. With the advent of seatbelts, drivers were comfortable with riskier driving habits than they would have been otherwise.

This is a problem per se. Doubly so if the seatbelt is a sham.


All the great American agencies like FDA, FAA, USPS have been tarnished by politicization.


Politics is also the reason why we have treatments that are known to work instead of snake oil like we used to have.

Rough quote from a 19th century doctor: The best thing to do for medicine would be to cut the page on opiates out of the Merck Manual and burn the rest.


Can you expand on your comment. Why is this controversial? Is it because it’s in phase-3 vs approved or is it because there is hope but no concrete evidence that this treatment works?


Okay, its because the public cant tell the difference on the utility.

More prominent disclosure and terminology should be used such as

UNAPPROVED USE AUTHORIZATION UNDER THE WE ARE SCRAMBLING AND HAVE NO CLUE EXEMPTION

or

NOT TESTED USE AT YOUR OWN RISK COULD BE SNAKE OIL COULD BE WATER EXEMPTION

or

THE FDA HAS NOT REVIEWED THIS AT ALL INTRASTATE EXEMPTION


Thanks. From reading the announcement, it read like a PR piece for a co.

Your explanation creates better context.


Sorry - Here is some context to this announcement from a day or two ago.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/trump-accuses-deep-st...


Because it sounds like communist propaganda.


Why is the FDA getting in the way of all these promising treatments? How is it 8 months into a pandemic and we still have little information about the efficacy of a century old therapy that has shown promise?

The public has zero decision-making authority on the matter so who cares? Let the doctors decide.


Why is the FDA getting in the way of all these promising treatments?

Citation please


Trump tweeted about it. So, chances are, it's not grounded in facts.


The President should do something about this rampant confusion!


Please add a /s for the folks who won't notice the sarcasm.


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I am anxiously awaiting the moment when he will tell us that by injecting bleach we can cure cancer and very good people have told him this treatment works and it is CNN and the deep state holding it back. What is truly sad is that I am not being sarcastic or hyperbolic, I am literally just waiting for him to say something this dumb...


No he would falsely claim that drinking paint thinner cures cancer, and sane people would argue he’s an idiot.


He is. Trump pressured the FDA to allow the therapy. It's ridiculous that the FDA drags its feet on these things during a pandemic.


They've been using plasma since day 1 in Bulgaria and are not super impressed. It looks like FDA is doing a political stunt for Trump. Sad!




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