Just about everything handed to us by the past can be changed, but there are mechanisms through which you have to do it. Those mechanisms exist, right now, today. Stop whining. Go use them.
making my case & gathering dissent is part of the process. this place here, HN, is a part modern agora, part of how we the public see & align ourselves with the world & the past.
telling me to stop, on the other hand, IS whining. i've done you no injury, no harm, but you are complaining of me & commanding me at the same time. i think you can do better. if you do not like my words, fine. you don't have to. you don't have to change your stance either, you are welcome to it. but to me, it reads of complaint & personal expectations.
You're the one who came along, ascribing to me opinions that I don't hold, and then insulting those opinions. And then you're telling me that you think I can do better. Maybe you also should?
You went on an epic rant about how you have no patience with the existing arrangements because they were made in the past. You may call that "making your case", but it sure sounded whiny to me. And when I tell you that, you tell me that by me pointing that out, I'm whining. Pot, you may be protesting a bit much about the kettle.
As for "gathering dissent", the HN guidelines say:
> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
"Gathering dissent" sounds to me like a subset of "ideological battle". And my "go do it", while indeed a command (and perhaps not either clearly or kindly expressed), was saying what the guidelines are saying: Take this somewhere else.
I don't believe I spoke with any ideological or political basis. That you think having an opinion & being upset with the status quo constitutes political or ideological battles is only true in as much as you have continued to make a battle out of my opinion & to rain nastiness upon my stance.
You continue being a snipe-ey rules lawyering nasty person to me, & saying things about me & characterizing me, rather than addressing anything I say in a substantial form. This is disheartening.
> You went on an epic rant about how you have no patience with the existing arrangements because they were made in the past. You may call that "making your case", but it sure sounded whiny to me.
That is not how I would characterize my assessment of the situation. I feel you've stripped out any nuance or respect by simmering it down to such simple words, such overt naked conflict. And I think it's a waste of everyone's time to try to surmise whether it's whining or not, and that we'd both have time better spent trying to engage with each other's stances, rather than pick at one another's character & person with shitty snipey assessments like that.
