> What goes wrong with Tesla cars specifically, I don't know, but I will point out that Waymo manages to kill many fewer people and so we shouldn't consider Tesla performance to even be SOTA on the self-driving task, much less tell us anything about fundamental limits to self-driving cars and/or NNs.

Side note, but I think Waymo is treating this more like a JPL "moon landing" style problem and Tesla is trying to sell cars today. It's very different to start with making it possible and then scaling it down vs trying to build something working backwards from the sensors and compute economical to ship today.