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>1. Interest-free money for businesses to launch, grow, and advance. This leads to more goods in the market and thus lower prices

We tried that. It all went into real estate and stocks and gave birth to a massive scam industry involving crypto and other get rich quick schemes as the world is full of stupid people and opportunists.

The average joe didn't see much trickle down to him unless he was already invested in real estate or stocks.

It was basically a wealth transfer. Housing is now about 30% more expensive than pre pandemic but take home wages are not.

Giving away free money without any strings attached to individuals or corporations is a bad idea.



Exactly this. And it’s not anecdotal either. In the UK, 75% of that new money goes to asset purchases[1], that’s likely a similar number in the US. Chronically low interest rates is a wealth redistribution program to the ones who get the biggest loans (guess who). The legend of the honest guy who needs a tractor or a fishing boat may as well be a mythical creature.

At least giving money directly to poor people is spent on things that can grow local economies. It is not perfect, but a lot more “stimulating” than giving money to institutions, corporations and rich people.

[1]: https://fortune.com/2023/03/20/is-federal-reserve-too-powerf...


> Chronically low interest rates is a wealth redistribution program to the ones who get the biggest loans

What's the mechanism? A big loan is a big risk. With a big risk you can have either a big reward or a big failure. Smaller loans, smaller risks, smaller rewards and smaller failures. It's proportional. Why do you think of wealth redistribution?


>A big loan is a big risk.

Big risk are if you use that big loan to start a new business, but not if you dump it all on stocks and desirable real estate in hot or future hot areas.


Buying stock with borrowed money is a terrible idea. You can go under real fast.

Buying real estate seems sound only because real estate has some good returns last years. But real estate can go down real fast like in 2008.

Many people gambled money, be it stock, real estate, crypto. Some got very rich, some didn't, some went bankrupt, some will.

I don't believe in speculation and gambling. The market can always can catch you on the wrong foot.

I believe in hard work, well invested thoughts and patience. The results might not spectacular but I rather construct my future than gamble it.

For every new billionaire who got lucky there are 100 new beggars who had bad luck.


> We tried that. It all went into real estate and stocks and gave birth to a massive scam industry involving crypto and other get rich quick schemes as the world is full of stupid people and opportunists.

You tried the wrong thing. You shouldn't hand money without conditions. Instead of letting speculative assets grow, you should only let productive bussineses borrow money with low interests. Businesses which produce tangible goods and are creating jobs.


I always thought "trickle-down" economics was about giving money to businesses via tax-breaks and that money would make it's way back to the people as wages. We know this doesn't happen and companies do stock-buybacks with that money.

Here, we're discussing a different paradigm: interest-free money vs free money. The issue is that interest-free money has little to no use for individuals. They can't put that interest-free money into an existing business and reap the returns. That's why most people just use that "interest-free" money for stocks (margin trading) and even then it wasn't fully interest-free.

The fundamental issue is how to give individuals interest-free money and have them see returns. Maybe using that money toward job training, or starting incubators that find small businesses and infuse them with money, mentorship, etc.


> always thought "trickle-down" economics was about giving money to businesses via tax-breaks

Tax-breaks doesn't mean giving money to businesses, they mean taking less money from businesses.


Corporate entities are a societal construct. Their very existence is defined by what society chooses to give them.


Tax-cuts for businesses and not individuals is effectively the government “giving” money to businesses no?


Not really. And governments have tax-cuts for individuals, too. And that doesn't mean the governments are giving money to individuals.


Yes, but I'm talking about corporate tax-cuts in leiu of individual tax-cuts.




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