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Every device manufacturer tends to fib a bit on battery life vs. real world, however, 45 mins of flight time is impressive. Even if its 30-35 mins fully maxed out that can give you a lot of time to creat content and explore


I find that DJI fibs about their transmission range, but not battery life.


I agree. I get fairly bad range in my small city, even with line of site. I get serious lag at around 2km. In places with less interference, it only bumps up to around 2.75–3km. It’s advertised as having 10–15km range or something.

On the other hand, 3 batteries in a Mini 3 is pretty much guaranteed to keep it in the air for 90 minutes. It’s very impressive. Our custom quad manages more like 20m per flight with twice the battery capacity (though, twice the weight as well).


tbh, once you realise you can get in into FCC mode, the advertised distances become a lot more realistic... :)


Tangentially: I wonder if a really long-flying quad copter can be made using a regular ICE + generator as a source of electricity. Carbohydrates are still more energy-dense.


It has been done, you can buy Chinese made very light 2 stroke engines packaged with a generator. Used for large hexes and octocopters. Incredibly noisy and the lightweight design of the engine means it has a very short time in hours operating before rebuild.

These are a known thing from like three or four different vendors in the community of people who build medium to large sized ardupilot/arducopter based things.


Maybe but it becomes a lot less practical to store and manage the gas compared to batteries.

I suspect we’ll see tailsitter models come out eventually that combine the benefits of fixed wing aircraft.

Someone did make one with a lawnmower but it has death machine vibes:

https://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/gas-powered-quadcopter-...


A hybrid helicopter with 4 blades? There's a lower limit for weight to fit the ICE (we can't scale an ICE down much), so it might end up pretty close to a smallish helicopter


I remember two-stroke ICEs for model planes that comfortably set on the palm of my hand, not even being a teenager.

A can of fuel possibly takes more space than a battery, but likely weighs less anyway.

Say, this randomly found guy is pretty tiny: https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/15la-abn-.15-airplane-g...


The trick with the tiny little model aircraft engines is that you typically get a decent lift/drag efficiency multiplier with fixed wing vs. quadrotor. In my experience, there seems to be a somewhat scale invariant power requirement of ~200W/kg (applies to a 249g Mavic Mini and much larger 25kg units). For a fixed-wing, you can get a 5:1 or 10:1 L/D and get away with more like 20-40W/kg instead.

You also probably don't want to direct-drive a multirotor off of the gas motor but rather convert it to electricity so that you maintain the rapid control authority on the motors. There are companies that make suitable powerplants, e.g. https://www.pegasusaero.ca/hybrid-advantage


I assume the issue is not the energy density but the support density.

I have a 3DR Solo and it can carry up to 1 lb of extra weight for 20 minutes or so on a full charge, and run for 30ish minutes while only carrying its gimbal.

The battery in the 3DR Solo weighs about 1.3 lbs itself, and the frame is by no means lightweight. Assembled it weighs at least 70% more than the Mavic 2 Pro that I occasionally get to use at work.

To fly my drone, the 3dr solo draws an average of 14.2 volts at 15 amps (so close to 200 watts on average) but up to 800 watts at peak.

You would need an ICE and Generator combo that can put out an average 200 watts of constant power but that can peak at 800 for short periods that weighs less than 2.3 lbs including fuel that runs for more than 20 minutes to equal that 1 battery.

For instance, this is one of the most well known and light RC ICE machines:

http://www.mecoa.com/hp/vt/21.htm

It weighs 9.5 oz and runs for 45 minutes on 6 oz of diesel (probably not at maximum output, but still.)

So you're at roughly 1 lb (assuming 1/2 oz of screws and tubes to connect the motor to the fuel and both to the frame.

However, there is an issue here. This motor is rated at .35 hp. 1 hp is roughly 746 watts of power. That means max rev, full bore, this 1 ICE only has enough power before conversion losses to hover my 3dr solo in calm winds.

So, let's find a bigger motor.

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/ngh-gt17-17cc-gas-engine-with-rc...

This one is much better. 1.8 hp at max revs, so 1300+ watts. But, it weighs 1.87 lbs.

Add in fuel and you're at the max, so good to go, right?

Well, the next problem is that even though we have an engine, we don't have a generator to convert from fuel to electric.

You would also need some supercapacitors or batteries to store the charge, some system to integrate the control of the motor into the drone, more mounting materials.

And, you are already over the weight limit. That doesn't mean it can't be solved, for instance you could use a hexacopter or octocopter to increase how much carrying capacity you have.

Basically, you can do it, but there are better ways to do it. You would have to design an ICE RC Drone from scratch accounting for all of the intricacies and difficulties of using combustion engines in a drone and controlling them safely just to get what will probably be a slower, more expensive and more fragile drone that breaks down more often and needs frequent servicing intervals.


I see. Likely this setup could work on a larger copter, but won't work on a tiny device.

Makes sense; thanks for the details.




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