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> language encoded way more information about reality than we thought it did

Language is roughly what separates humans from other apes ... so why would it surprise us that it encodes much of the information of civilization?



I’m not as surprised as many people (I saw a great tweet once that said “Language was the first artificial intelligence, writing was the second. I literally believe this”, and that’s a broadly accurate description of my worldview too).

That said, maybe some of the surprise comes from believing “the map is not the territory” and related ideas? We generally believe that the map is not the territory and this gives us some obviously correct intuitions (like “changing the map doesn’t change the territory”), but maybe it has also given us some subtly incorrect intuitions. I’m not talking about obviously incorrect, like “you can’t understand the territory just by looking at enough maps”. I mean something more subtly wrong. One candidate off the top of my head is an intuition that “maps approximate the territory but necessarily at a lower level of detail (a 1:1 map of the territory would be the same size as the territory), so your understanding of the territory can improve as you read more maps but it can’t improve on the limit of the most detailed map available, because that information literally isn’t there”. I could see that possibly being wrong somehow.


> Language is roughly what separates humans from other apes

Maybe not.

A recent study pushes back the "dawn of speech" to 20 Ma which is far, far beyond the horizon where we consider humans to separate from apes. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw3916 Even if you consider Sahelanthropus tchadensis to belong to humans that was only 7 Ma and that is still under debate.

I personally find "the fundamental human trait is control of fire to be used for cooking" theory very convincing. We do not yet know how far this goes back but no one pushed that back beyond 2 Ma.


> so why would it surprise us that it encodes much of the information of civilization?

The Humanities are largely considered superfluous in the tech world, why are you surprised that they are surprised?


To clarify, I'm including stuff like Python code under language, because these large language models are also trained on Python code.


Very very few people in tech are even experts in the meta analysis of programming languages, much less the importance of languages.




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