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Does free will exist or only hard determinism can be true? You seem to have reached a definitive conclusion. And you seem to think natural selection and evolution of species and autonomous machines prove your point.

You also seem to think that questioning the veracity of your position is engaging in magical thinking. How could I possibly 'enlighten' you if you are sure of being right?

It doesn't matter if I point out that physics hasn't been able to prove materialism. Where is the fundamental particle? Why can't we determine even through which slit did a quantum of light travel? The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics appears to directly contradict your claims of hard determinism being the only valid explanation of reality. But I must be wrong about that. Since clearly you have seen reality for what it is, and I have failed to do so.

Then again, we cannot escape this situation seeing as it is determined.



Of course I'm willing to change my mind, but so far no one has ever given a compelling argument. I just follow Occam's razor.

> The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics appears to directly contradict your claims of hard determinism being the only valid explanation of reality

OK, fundamental physics might not follow hard determinism (or not in a way that we currently understand), but please, indeterminism says nothing about free will, human thoughts, or anything related to that. If you want to say the human brain follows the same physics rules as everything else in the universe, and that this implies some indeterminism, sure. That's almost certainly correct. But where do thoughts arise from that?

If you sprinkle randomness on the process, I'll agree with you; but nothing in physics even suggests ANY link between indeterminism, superposition, etc. and thought. So my point still stands: free will as we usually envision it has no reason to exist. The fact that particles can be in two states at once does NOT contradict this.


Indeterminism does not automatically imply free will. None of the open questions of physics, including how qualia arise, could plausibly explain free will. Neuroscience is continuing to show just how deterministic and predictable brains are.

So at this point the burden is on free will proponents to offer a plausible explanation for it. Without resorting to dualism, which is great for religious people but not scientifically useful.


Also, it's funny for you to start this thread with such a disparaging and dismissive comment, then come back and act victimized that you're being questioned. If you are a self aware entity in control of your behavior, maybe you should try harder not to be a hypocritical asshole.




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