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It absolutely isn't default world view in most of the world.

The reason people don't have children - most of them anyway - have nothing to do with antinatalism.

Having children simply would be a massive, major inconvienience, and would negatively affect their quality of life, income, expenses, career prospects, housing, etc, etc.

Ie. their decision making for having children and not having them is exactly the same. I want to, I don't want to (inconvenience, etc), there's no deeper reasoning behind it in most cases.

Plummeting birth rates have little to do with antinatalism, and is a self-correcting problem. It will - without doubt - self correct. You just might not see the change in your lifetime.



How is that not antinatalism?

All of those circumstances you described were there throughout history. Yet people had many more children than today.


So you don't see the difference between:

1. I'm not going to have children because it's WRONG, unethical and unjustifiable to inflict serious harm and suffering (without their consent)

2. I'm not going to have children, because it will inconvenience ME, because then I'll have less time and money to jerk off and play video games, travel, etc? Or some temporary economic circumstance.

Like even if you don't have children because you perceive the world to overpopulated at this moment in time, you're still pretty firmly in the (2) camp. There's quite a lot of people that claim to be antinatalists that are simply in the economic circumstances camp.

And lots of things have changed now, contraceptives, less societal pressures, etc.


Those are both antinatalist arguments.


Have you bothered to, you know, do the bare minimum and check atleast the vulgaris definition of antinatalism.... on say, wikipedia?

I'm not going to argue your private distorted perception and misunderstanding that falls completely outside of even the most pedestrian understanding of what antinatalism is - even the wikipedia, etc.

(2) isn't an antinatalist argument.

Now an antinatalist might try to convince a regular Joe-Schmoe not to have kids, by pointing out how much of an inconvenience it might be. And Joe-Schmoe might not have kids, because it would be incovenient for him and get in the way of more important things, like playing video games and jerking off.... or point out how expensive it would be economically and such.

Which means Joe-Schmoe does not operate on, or even considers or contemplates the antinatalist argument at any point, in any shape or form. Which is to say Joe-Schmoe would absolutely have kids if it cost him less, there were different economical social pressures and so on, or if he simply... wanted to.

Focal point here is the Joey-Schmoey and what he WANTS. That's all there is to it.

That however does not make it into an antinatalist argument, nor does Joey Schmoey think in any antinatalist capacity at all.

The fact I have to explain this also makes me suspect that... sadly not a lot of cerebral action is going here either....




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