That would certainly be nice! That's why we have been overhauling shell with https://oils.pub , because shell can't be described as that right now
It's in extremely poor shape
e.g. some things found from building several thousand packages with OSH recently (decades of accumulated shell scripts)
- bugs caused by the differing behavior of 'echo hi | read x; echo x=$x' in shells, i.e. shopt -s lastpipe in bash.
- 'set -' is an archaic shortcut for 'set +v +x'
- Almquist shell is technically a separate dialact of shell -- namely it supports 'chdir /tmp' as well as cd /tmp. So bash and other shells can't run any Alpine builds.
I used to maintain this page, but there are so many problems with shell that I haven't kept up ...
It's more POSIX-compatible than the default /bin/sh on Debian, which is dash
The bigger issue is not just bugs, but lack of understanding among people who write foundational shell programs. e.g. the lastpipe issue, using () as grouping instead of {}, etc.
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It is often treated like an "unknowable" language
Any reasonable person would use LLMs to write shell/bash, and I think that is a problem. You should be able to know the language, and read shell programs that others have written
We also don't appear to be unreasonably far away from running ~~ "all shell scripts"
Now the problem after that will be motivating authors of foundational shell programs to maintain compatibility ... if that's even possible. (Often the authors are gone, and the nominal maintainers don't know shell.)
That would certainly be nice! That's why we have been overhauling shell with https://oils.pub , because shell can't be described as that right now
It's in extremely poor shape
e.g. some things found from building several thousand packages with OSH recently (decades of accumulated shell scripts)
- bugs caused by the differing behavior of 'echo hi | read x; echo x=$x' in shells, i.e. shopt -s lastpipe in bash.
- 'set -' is an archaic shortcut for 'set +v +x'
- Almquist shell is technically a separate dialact of shell -- namely it supports 'chdir /tmp' as well as cd /tmp. So bash and other shells can't run any Alpine builds.
I used to maintain this page, but there are so many problems with shell that I haven't kept up ...
https://github.com/oils-for-unix/oils/wiki/Shell-WTFs
OSH is the most bash-compatible shell, and it's also now Almquist shell compatible: https://pages.oils.pub/spec-compat/2025-11-02/renamed-tmp/sp...
It's more POSIX-compatible than the default /bin/sh on Debian, which is dash
The bigger issue is not just bugs, but lack of understanding among people who write foundational shell programs. e.g. the lastpipe issue, using () as grouping instead of {}, etc.
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It is often treated like an "unknowable" language
Any reasonable person would use LLMs to write shell/bash, and I think that is a problem. You should be able to know the language, and read shell programs that others have written