The ship has sailed on that one. The telematics from the car can also be sent back to the mothership, i.e. if you’re driving like a lunatic, pulling donuts, harsh acceleration and so on.
‘Telematics’ is not how the word ‘insurance’ is spelled. Anyone that owns an uninsured car or home that cannot afford to replace a total loss or hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills in the case of a major accident is negligent. Anyone without wealth lacking health insurance is negligent.
Having sensor logs of the space temp and CO2 ppm in your house when it’s burning down isn’t going to help you at all.
Car telemetry might help diagnose car issues, but I’m not aware of manufacturers using it that way, I’ve heard plenty about selling location data and driving habits.
Constantly monitoring your heart rate and blood pressure sounds like a good way to develop hypochondria.
Majority of population is wearing some sort of smartwatch tho.
Absence of PM2.5 is exactly how I debunked a false smoke alarm while I was overseas. Or I flagged excessive power use after friends left appliance on while I was away. Or water leak sensors flagged one toiled cistern dripping.
There’s a difference between the owner having telemetry on their own car, and the manufacturer having telemetry on the cars they’ve sold. One is taking care of your assets, and the other is spying on customers.
Have they resolved the class-action lawsuit about workers sharing and making memes from pictures and videos of people inside their homes, garages, naked, with their pets, their kids, their laundry, their sex toys, etc? Mozilla said they're the least bad but they're definitely not good.
It's not just FSD footage. Footage was recorded while the cars were charging. From Reuters:
As an example, this person recalled seeing “embarrassing objects,” such as “certain pieces of laundry, certain sexual wellness items … and just private scenes of life that we really were privy to because the car was charging.”
To be clear, looking at video surreptitiously recorded inside peoples' homes is absolutely spying. And saying you get actual consent from click-through "opt-in" forms which opting out would kill huge swaths of their car's functionality, and not deliberately and loudly informing them of how invasive the videos were is frankly, ridiculous. Those forms are obviously pretext for tech companies to do things with people's data that they'd never consent to if they really understood the implications.
Are you saying that not monitoring e.g. heart rate constantly through some electronic device that sends the data somewhere (let’s assume somewhere under my control) is negligence?
From Wikipedia: “Telemetry is the in situ collection of measurements or other data at remote points and their automatic transmission to receiving equipment (telecommunication) for monitoring.”
There is nothing “tele” about going to the doctor, and nothing automatic about the information they gather. You’re conflating telemetry and simple examination or observation. Most types of examination are not telemetry, and many types of telemetry are not as benign as simple observation/examination. There is telemetry on my car but I can’t access the data. It’s not for my benefit— it’s for Jeep’s benefit. I don’t need it and I don’t want it.
Laws can change, but I’m not hopeful, tbh. Digital privacy problems are just too abstract to viscerally anger most people. That may change as people that grew up in surveillance capitalism mature, but being so used to invasive data grabs might replace ignorant complacency with aware complacency.
Mostly only because Tesla doesn't share this data outside of Tesla, unless they leak it to news outlets to make it look like the accident was all your fault and not Tesla's.
Tesla tends to only leak that stuff when they look bad. It's not like they are necessarily outright lying, they are just telling their version of the truth....
I point out tesla specifically because they had headlines about sharing camera feeds as memes. The Mozilla report clearly shows tesla is not an outlier, more like "middle of the pack".
"...pictures of dogs and funny road signs that employees made into memes by embellishing them with amusing captions or commentary, before posting them in private group chats. While some postings were only shared between two employees, others could be seen by scores of them, according to several ex-employees."
Two-second Google search. It's not very charitable to accuse someone of lying without even looking. It's even mentioned in that mozilla breakdown.
> I point out tesla specifically because they had headlines about sharing camera feeds as memes.
Your baseless assumptions are your own fault.
I gave citations for your specific questions. There’s multiple articles about the odious things that happened that you clearly have no interest in acknowledging. I’m not your research assistant. Go read them. You’re clearly more interested in defending Tesla than understanding people’s complaints. Cope? Shill? I’ll never know, and I’ll definitely never care.
lol, cringe. Great way to protect your ego when someone is serially pointing out how baseless your glib snapbacks are. I use em dashes because I learned to write at a competent university, instead of, say, Breaking Bad. In fact, it played a large role in early LLM development, so if they ever used student writing in their data sets, I might be a tiny part of the reason these models use so many em dashed to begin with. Hell, I don’t even use grammarly anymore. And I made this alt when I switched from dev to design, before the shitty job market switched me from design to manufacturing. And exactly who would I be “botting for?” The only person in this thread that started championing a particular company is you. The thread itself started with me bemoaning data collection among the auto industry, and mentioned that Tesla is the least bad at even if they’re still bad. So… am I botting for “big bicycle?” Part of the large Schwinn-backed anti-car virtual astroturfing brigade? Maybe an extremely aggressive public transit advocacy group? Exactly who cares enough about people stanning Tesla to point some robot propaganda machination at it? And since you were enough of a creep to go through my comment history looking for excuses to ignore what I was saying rather than actually engage with it, did you see ANY other indication that was a theme? Lol. So keep trying to scrounge up some cope, “bitch.”
You've been following my comments for a while, especially trying to dunk on Tesla with falsehoods and lies. Argue with Mozilla about their results, not me.
I’ve provided citations. You were commenting in a thread that branched off of my comment. I got my criticism from the Mozilla article, and most of my citations were linked to in the Mozilla article. I’d say you should actually read the subsection on Tesla, but you clearly can’t accept reality and have some weird Tesla obsession. Get help.
